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  • What's the best way to defend a continuous walk in fastpitch with a runner on third base and nobody on second?

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Bob Bayer
Bob Bayer
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What's the best way to defend a continuous walk in fastpitch with a runner on third base and nobody on second?

It just never seems right to concede a 2-base walk. If there is a runner on 3'rd and 1st and 2nd open. When we walk a girl, a lot times she will continue on to 2nd base. The only think I've come up with so far is to quickly throw to the 2nd basemen and have the 2nd basemen hold the ball in the base path between first and second, while staring down the runner on 3rd prepared to fire the ball home.
I would then have the 2nd basemen walk toward first base, however the runners are free to stay off the bag as long as the ball is not in the pitcher's hand in the circle.

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  • Jordan Robles
    Jordan Robles
    Answered June 18, 2009
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    once the walk happens throw the ball right to first base and they wont be able to advance

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    1. The runner on third still has a 10 foot lead off from the original pitch. If we snap throw down to first I'm worried she'll extend her lead, or if she's fast she'll steal home as soon as we throw to the first basemen.

      I think we'll try this in practice and see how it looks.
      Bob Bayer · June 19, 2009
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  • Ken Bergren
    Ken Bergren
    Answered June 18, 2009
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    Minimize your walks by working with your pitchers on a regular basis. Too often, we work with the whole team and don't have the time/energy to focus on just one kid at a time. Encourage the pitchers to get a private coach if they can, or even ask local HS or college pitchers to stop by and work with your kids.

    You can have the catcher fake a throw to SS covering 2nd base and have either the pitcher or 2B cut, then fake or throw to 3B of catcher to catch that runner. This and other strategies should be practiced and each kid should be able to recognize when this might happen and be able to execute. If any of the kids can't pull off their task, you should concede the extra base.

    On the flip side, make sure you practice taking the extra base when the opportunity arises for your walked runners. If you can get the base in a continuous walk, you should also be able to steal just as easy in the next at bat. You can also try the fake steal to 2B, and if they bite, have the runner on 3b steal home.

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    1. Sorry for the awful wording. In the first sentence of the second paragraph, I meant to say, "...then fake or throw to 3B or catcher..." Hope some of it makes sense and helps.
      Ken Bergren · June 18, 2009
    2. I don't know if fake throwing to 2'nd base would stop the runner from the continuous steal. If you are suggesting to do this to see if the girl on third bites, and we attempt to pick her off, then that might work. Maybe if the catcher throws the ball to the pitcher right away. And the pitcher fakes the throw to the SS covering 2 or the second basemen who is positioned between first and second base. Then if the runner on first stops, the pitcher can relax in the pitching circle and the runner on 3'rd will have to commit to home or 3rd?
      I agree with your points above. Our pitchers do have private coaches. We are 12U, and really only have 2 or 3 walks a game any more.
      Bob Bayer · June 19, 2009
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  • Ken Bergren
    Ken Bergren
    Answered June 19, 2009
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    Sorry about my poor wording--The quick throw down to 2B from the catcher is cut off by the pitcher or person covering 2B. Hopefully this action stops the continuous walk, but also holds the runner on 3B. If you catch the 3B runner, it's icing.

    2-3 walks--Nice! I hope we're there by next year.

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  • Al Ciolek
    Al Ciolek
    Answered June 19, 2009
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    First off, your catcher should throw the ball back to the pitcher immediately after ball 4 is called. If the runner on 3rd is taking a lead she has to either return to 3rd or go for home, according to the look back rule, or be called out. The runner going to 1st has to immediately, upon reaching 1st, either stay there or go for 2nd. Have your pitcher, with her ball in her glove, go to the 1st base side of the pitching rubber, inside the circle. If the runner goes have her run at her while watching 3rd. A sharp ump, who knows the rules, my nail the runner at 3rd. This is always a risky play on both sides. If you feel that your team isn't capable of making the play to home, I would just give up 2nd base.

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    1. Thanks, I think I'll call this plan 'A'.
      Bob Bayer · June 19, 2009
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  • Coach Joe
    Coach Joe
    Answered June 22, 2009
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    Like "plan A" above we throw the ball immediately back to the pitcher and watch the runner. We have the 2nd baseman come into the base path 3/4 of the way to 2nd. If the runner goes from 1st to 2nd we throw to the 2nd baseman when the runner is halfway, Therefore allow them to see both base runners in front of them and make a throw home if needed.

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  • Rick Assmann
    Rick Assmann
    Answered June 22, 2009
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    We do it a little different than Joe. We go back to the pitcher (runner has to return to third) then throw to 1st base who is 3 feet on the 2nd base side of 1st. She watches the runner on 3rd. When hitter gets to 1st, we fake throw back to the pitcher to see if the runner on first makes a move and look for the tag.

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  • Stacie Mahoe
    Stacie Mahoe
    Answered July 07, 2009
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    Definitely have the ball immediately thrown back to the pitcher. The longer the catcher holds it the tougher it is to defend this. Runner at 3b does NOT have to go back once the ball is back to the P if the batter/runner has not reached 1b yet.

    If you fake, the look back is no longer in effect, runners can change direction.

    It is tougher to defend at younger age levels because they don't have a good grasp of when to throw and aren't as good at throwing and catching quick and under pressure.

    IMHO P should hold the ball down as long as she can...once that runner gets to 1st and ball is in circle, 3B has to either go home or go BACK. If she goes home, choice is simple, throw to C.

    If she goes back to the bag, now she'll have to run a full 60 ft to score AFTER P makes a throw (if you choose to have her throw to 2nd as runner approaches). Throw too early and you get a run down situation which is not what you want because now both runners can dance and are free to go either way. Tough to watch both at the same time, especially at the younger age levels.

    The ball is faster than a runner, if you train your IF for the P to throw to 2b when the runner gets close (committed to continue to 2nd and not turn around and go back to 1b) then your players should have enough time to make that catch apply a tag and throw home if the runner from 3b goes (remember, by this time she has to go a full 60ft).

    If she's not aggressive and doesn't go immediately on P's throw, you should be able to get her.

    If runner at 3b doesn't go right away, have the player at 2b immediately return the ball back to the P after the play at 2b is done.

    Work it in practice and see what the timing is like.

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